The Traditional Roman Catholic Church

A takie coś ktoś widział słyszał i rozpoznaje?
http://trcatholics.org/

http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/communities/absecon_galloway_port-republic/absecon-church-practices-pre-vatican-ii-catholicism/article_528b5324-535c-11e5-92f1-33e74d91e989.html



tu kazanko: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsMBRvWsywk

bardzo ciekawe wystawienie: https://youtu.be/NreUzGwD6o0?t=581 i najmocniejszy głos biskupa trydenta jaki słyszałem od zakończenia soboru https://youtu.be/NreUzGwD6o0?t=623

Za to co robią muzyce to gorzej jak francuscy tradycjonaliści, to gorzej jak piusowcy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6JSR4EFqrM

Z tego co widzę to amerykańsko murzyński wariant Palmar de Troya.

Na wakacje rozkręca pan tradsowski Komitet Szurologii? 

Przyznam, że tej inicjatywy nie znam. Widać, że mają misje w USA i na Filipinach.

Among these is the Traditional Roman Catholic Church, formerly known as the Old Roman Catholic Church of America, who, though tracing its origins to the Old Catholic Church under the Union of Utrecht, has cut ties with the Old Catholic Church accusing it of embracing Modernist views. It claims to be the real Roman Catholic Church, arguing that it has preserved the true teachings handed down from the apostles. While the FSSP has accepted the teachings of the Second Vatican Council, by implication of its communion with the Roman Catholic Church, the SSPX continues to regard some aspects of the teachings of the Council as heretical and deviates from orthodoxy. The Traditional Roman Catholic Church rejects the Council and declares all its teachings heretical. This group is currently headed by Archbishop Mosley who styles himself as His Eminence Shermanus Randallus Pius Moslei, D.D., Primate of the Traditional Roman Catholic Church. This group currently has two African members; one of them is Rev. Cyril Nnadi, an ordained Roman Catholic priest of the Diocese of Umuahia in Eastern Nigeria. He left the Roman Catholic Church and joined the TRCC in 2007. He has served as their judicial vicar since 2009. The other African member is Rev. Hippolyte Marie Pagan from Cameroon who serves as the dean of their online seminary training as well as the legate to the African region.

(https://blog.oup.com/2015/07/traditionalist-catholicism-africa/)

Ale wie pan, takich grup jest bardzo dużo, zwłaszcza sedeckich. Z tego undergroundu można by zrobić cały katalog...

Zresztą, ci od biskupa Shermana Mosleya to chyba po prostu jakiś odłam staro-katolików:

According to Bishop Sherman R. Mosley, “legally we are Roman since we were never excommunicated. There never was a bull of excommunication from Rome saying we were.” He added, to avoid confusion, the church uses the name Old Catholic Church of America, (OCCA).

In a telephone interview from his home diocese of Camden, N.J., Bishop Mosley said his church “follows everything in the church up to Vatican II. That does not mean we reject all things in Vatican II. We reject the fact that the Mass was not supposed to be changed; we hold on to the traditions of the Roman Catholic Church. We accept what the church teaches on abortion, euthanasia, same-sex marriage. On moral areas we are in agreement,” he explained. His church does not accept lay extraordinary ministers of the Eucharist and also believes many area churches do not follow “proper rubrics of the holy sacrifice of the Mass.”

“Masses” are offered in the Tridentine rite and the church has what Bishop Mosley described as a thriving Hispanic ministry, numbering more than 500. The parish priest at Holy Angels Cathedral, Father Alvaro Nova offers a “Mass” in Spanish at noon each Sunday.

Church is not in ‘perfect union’

Bishop Mosley said there is great ignorance among Roman Catholics about Old Catholics and said his church possesses valid sacraments and valid orders, and strongly said the church should not be called “non-Catholic, because we are a Catholic church. You cannot list us as a non-Catholic church; you can only say that we are not in perfect union. That is the language of the Vatican.”

According to Bishop Mosley, the OCCA accepts the dogma of the Immaculate Conception and the Assumption of Mary, but two areas where it strays from Roman Catholic Church teaching are in the areas of papal infallibility and celibacy for priests.

Members of his church accept the pope’s infallibility when he speaks on morals and doctrines, but “no where in scripture does it state that a pope or any bishop is in himself infallible.” The OCCA also permits married men to be priests, but Bishop Mosley said it prefers that its priests be celibate. At present, he said only three or four priests and one bishop of the more than 100 priests are married.

As the head of ecumenical dialogue and promotion of Christian unity for the OCCA, Bishop Mosley said he plans to meet with members of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops. His hope is to “establish perfect dialogue and settle any differences we have as churches as we work toward having an understanding with maybe one day having perfect union.”

(http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1724955/posts)

I "ksiądz" w kapie ma wąsy jak Francuski biskup.

Panie Adimad, właśnie marzy mi się kompendium wszystkich grup z całego świata o wrażliwości trydenckiej. Niezależnie od doktryny i pochodzenia święceń.
Panie Mac wg publicznie dostępnych danych tamci panowie mają następstwo apostolskie z linii starokatolickiej.

Panie Kefasz: to byłoby nawet ciekawe, tylko trzeba się liczyć z tym, że jeżeli rzecz miałaby być całościowa i 'bezstronna', to musiałaby obejmować także różnego rodzaju szurię. Różnych 'wagantów', nawiedzonych apokaliptyków, konklawistów, mistykalistów (to ci 'papieże', którzy nawet nie potrzebowali konklawe, tylko Pan Bóg ich osobiście instaurował), synkretystów etc.

No dobrze, to np. jedna z moich ulubionych ciekawostek: Mary's Little Remnant pod wodzą Richarda Josepha Michaela Ibranyi. Chłop zaczynał jako 'zwykły' sedek, po kilkunastu latach ewolucji doszedł do przekonania, że ostatnim papieżem był Innocenty II: Under pain of heresy and idolatry, a Catholic must believe there were no popes since Innocent II in 1130 and no Catholic theologians since 1250 once he sees the evidence against them and once he knows the deeper dogma that non-Catholics cannot hold offices in the Catholic Church.. Z tym, że u niego przywiązanie do liturgii jest li tylko werbalne, bo oczywiście to 'bezpopowiec' - od dawna nie ma już ważnych księży, więc praktykowanie mszy to tylko teoria  Żeby było śmieszniej, jego sekta ma siedzibę w miasteczku o nazwie Truth or Consequences.

Czasami mam wrażenie, że samo pisanie o takich przypadkach, nawet na chłodno czy wręcz dezaprobatywnie, ma w sobie coś z szukania niezdrowej sensacji. Są tacy bliźni, których trudno nawet opisać tak, by nie było to zarazem kpiną... Przykład jeszcze inny, sam się zdziwiłem: jakaś obłędna strona, która ogłasza (nazywając to prawdziwym, odkłamanym katolicyzmem), że Maryja jest Prawdziwym Bogiem, a Bóg (Ojciec) to Szatan... Osobliwy mix gnostycyzmu, katolicyzmu, szurostwa, antyjudaizmu i spiskologii.

A co do prób schematyzowania:

Tu masz jeszcze link gdzie dość dokładnie jest przeanalizowana sukcesja różnych wangansów od połowy XX wieku. Materiał jest spory, a minus jedynie taki, ze gdzieś od 10 lat nie aktualizowany. autor jest b. wiarygodny - ojciec jednego, albo nawet dwóch księży FSSPX.


http://www.tboyle.net/Catholicism/Outline.html