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« Odpowiedz #525 dnia: Września 07, 2015, 21:58:37 pm »

a kogo jeszcze miałoby to dotyczyć ?? Może Pani poczuwa się do bycia ekskomunikowaną, ale przykro mi bardzo - póki co jeszcze nikt Pani nie ekskomunikował

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« Odpowiedz #526 dnia: Września 08, 2015, 03:38:22 am »

[...] "Because of the importance of the Holy Father’s desire to make mercy known generously in this coming jubilee year, and with complete filial respect and affection to our Holy Father, it is necessary to identify a few canonical ambiguities in the letter that will seriously need clarifications, so that the Pope’s desires can be implemented appropriately.

First, what is the canonical weight of this letter? It is not a law (Canon 8ff). It is not a general decree (Canon 29). It is not a general executory decree (Canon 31). It is not a canonical “instruction” (Canon 34). It is not indicated to be a motu proprio (of his own initiative).


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Pope Francis’ Year of Mercy Indulgence Raises Canonical Questions (9073)
COMMENTARY: There are a few canonical ambiguities in the Holy Father’s letter that need clarifications so that his desires can be implemented appropriately.

by BENEDICT NGUYEN 09/03/2015 Comments (29)
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– CNA/Daniel Ibáñez

The Holy Father’s Sept. 1 letter to Archbishop Rino Fisichella, the president of the Pontifical Council for the Promotion of the New Evangelization, calls the faithful, once again, to contemplate God’s Divine Mercy made manifest through his Church, particularly in the upcoming Extraordinary Jubilee Year of Mercy.

There is much beauty and magnanimity in the letter, showing that Pope Francis, like his predecessors, is serious about helping to actualize the mercy of God to all, especially those on the peripheries.

All would do well to read carefully and work assiduously to make known and available the indulgences that are being granted to the faithful in dioceses, those visiting shrines and those who are ill or incarcerated. Not to be missed are also the grants allotted to those who practice the spiritual and corporal works of mercy. Indeed, it is a call for all to participate in these works of mercy and to help to extend the mercy of Our Lord to as many as possible.

Because of the importance of the Holy Father’s desire to make mercy known generously in this coming jubilee year, and with complete filial respect and affection to our Holy Father, it is necessary to identify a few canonical ambiguities in the letter that will seriously need clarifications, so that the Pope’s desires can be implemented appropriately.

First, what is the canonical weight of this letter? It is not a law (Canon 8ff). It is not a general decree (Canon 29). It is not a general executory decree (Canon 31). It is not a canonical “instruction” (Canon 34). It is not indicated to be a motu proprio (of his own initiative).

It clearly is just a letter written to the president of the Pontifical Council for the Promotion of the New Evangelization, yet one that appears to be making some pretty bold grants regarding indulgences, faculty, etc. for the Year of Mercy. For a holy year, these type of things are usually in the form of a papal bull, such as the Pope’s document declaring the Year of Mercy, or at least a decree or motu proprio, so that there is no confusion as to its official canonical weight. The form, or lack thereof, and the ambiguities in the letter seem to be creating some canonical doubts of law, which I am afraid may possibly nullify or suspend some of its application (Canon 14).

Second, in the letter, the Pope seems to be granting the ability to all priests to forgive the sin of abortion. While in the Eastern Churches the forgiveness of the sin of abortion is reserved to the bishop (Code of Canons of the Eastern Churches, 728), in the Latin rite, all priests who have the faculty to absolve sins in confession are already seemingly able to do this.

It is important to keep in mind that there is a distinction between the sin of abortion and the excommunication that could also result from it (Canon 1398). These two are not the same thing. Sin is a moral condition; excommunication is a juridical one that deprives a Catholic of certain rights and benefits of being in full communion with the Catholic Church (Canon 1331).

There seems to be much confusion regarding the difference between the sin of abortion and the penalty of excommunication. It is important to remember that the so-called automatic (latae sententiae) excommunication is not necessarily always “automatic,” since there may be a number of exempting or mitigating circumstances, as listed in Canons 1323 and 1324.

In the Latin rite, regarding abortion, presuming that someone has indeed incurred not only the sin of abortion, but also the juridical penalty of excommunication resulting from it, the ability to lift the penalty of excommunication is reserved to the bishop. In many dioceses in the U.S., the bishop has delegated this ability to lift the excommunication to priests who have the faculty to hear confession validly.

So herein lies the problem: The Pope’s letter does not mention anything of granting the ability to priests to lift the penalty of excommunication that may result from the sin of abortion, but, rather, only seems to grant the ability to priests to forgive the sin of abortion.

For Latin-rite priests who have the faculty to hear confessions validly, this is not granting them anything new, and they are still not able to lift the penalty of excommunication if they are not able to do so by grant of their own bishop.
[...]Third, regarding the priests of the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) being able to grant absolution validly and licitly, there is no doubt that this is truly a generous gesture on the part of Pope Francis, one that shows his fatherly pastor’s heart. He clearly indicates that it is his hope that in the near future restoration to full communion of the priests and superiors of the SSPX can be achieved.

However, in the meantime, this does seem to imply a couple of things. First, that the priests of the SSPX are not in full communion with the Church, and, second, that the priests of the SSPX in fact have not had and currently do not have the faculty to absolve sins validly and licitly in confession and will not have it until the beginning of the Year of Mercy on Dec. 8.

Fourth, a question also arises as to why there was not a direct communication to the SSPX. The communiqué from the SSPX indicates that they only learned about it via the press. Generally, grants of faculty are communicated directly to the cleric to whom the faculty is being granted or to the cleric’s superior, where appropriate. 

Fifth, it is puzzling that the letter does not explicitly use the word “faculty” at all when speaking of this grant to the SSPX priests of the ability to absolve validly and licitly. While it seems that the mens (intention) is indeed to grant a faculty to the priests of the SSPX, it is unusual that the language does not simply issue a grant of faculty to them to do so. Rather, the letter seems to place the emphasis on the good of the faithful and their ability to approach SSPX priests.[...]"

https://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/some-canonical-question-regarding-pope-francis-year-of-mercy-indulgence/
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« Odpowiedz #527 dnia: Września 08, 2015, 14:08:27 pm »


W cytowanym dokumencie nie ma mowy o żadnym z tych biskupów, o którym wspomniałam, chyba, że Pani ma jakieś nadzwyczajne okulary? Cała reszta jest tylko pobożnym życzeniem, bo nikt oficjalnie nie potwierdził, że zniesienie/ unieważnienie ekskomuniki dotyczy kogoś więcej poza wymienioną czwórką.
Kościół (wojujący) NIE MA JURYSDYKCJI nad tymi, którzy umarli.
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Kyrie Eleison!
Czy jednak Syn Człowieczy znajdzie wiarę na ziemi, gdy przyjdzie?
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Amen tako Bóg daj, byśmy wszyscy poszli w Raj.

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« Odpowiedz #528 dnia: Września 24, 2015, 00:29:05 am »

Każda próba podjęcia merytorycznej dyskusji (po to to forum przecież jest) torpedowana jest przez kilka tych samych osób w sposób nie mający najmniejszego związku z kulturą osobistą, za to wiele z zarozumialstwem, pychą i graniczący z pospolitym chamstwem, bo przecież mogę się mylić, a także mieć inne doświadczenia. Również wynikające z konfrontowania wiadomości z różnych źródeł, czego Polacy nie znający języków obcych nie robią, wierząc bezkrytycznie właśnie we wszystko, co mają podane na talerzu. Proszę nie zapominać, że szatan działa wszędzie, a najaktywniej przy ołtarzu...
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